Posts tagged androgel

Posted 2 weeks ago
I know that you're meant to shower before having skin-to-skin contact with a woman when on testosterone gel, but does the same apply for contact with a cis guy or a tran guy already on testosterone?
Anonymous asked

Zak: Yeah, you should probably still take the same precautions because it could still raise their testosterone levels and that’s not always a good thing. What I heard from my doctor is that you don’t need to worry about showering before skin-to-skin contact if there has been enough time for the gel to completely absorb (I’ve heard 6-8 hours) but showering is always a great precaution so there’s no harm in keeping that up, particularly since some people are more sensitive to exposure to the gel than others. It really is best to be safe and careful! 

Posted 3 months ago

Transfer of Androgel

Awhile back we received a couple of questions about the possibility of accidentally transferring Androgel to a partner, roommate, or other person in close proximity. There’s a bit of conflicting information out there and people seem to have a wide variety of experiences. For instance, as we’ve mentioned before, Zak has not had any issues with transferring the gel to his female partner or anyone else. On the other hand, some followers wrote in saying they have personally experienced issues with transferring the gel to others or know someone who has. Zak recently went to his doctor and asked about this issue and here is what his doctor said: 

-People have different sensitivities to testosterone. Some people are extremely sensitive to testosterone and will be more likely to have changes based on very limited exposure to the gel. She said she’s heard of guys going to the doctor with elevated levels of testosterone that they got from being exposed to the gel via workout equipment used by a guy on Androgel who forgot to wipe down his equipment. That being said, there are also people who can be exposed to the gel frequently who aren’t that sensitive to it who wouldn’t experience any changes at all. 

-It’s important to take proper precautions when using the gel. Make sure you only apply the gel to areas that are generally covered by clothing and wash your hands after application. It’s also helpful to allow the gel to dry before covering the application area with clothing and to spread the gel evenly on your skin instead of letting it pool in areas (which can prevent it from properly absorbing). 

-Keep an eye on the people who you are frequently in physical contact with who might be exposed to the gel. Luckily, you can usually tell pretty early on if someone is experiencing changes due to exposure to the gel. If you notice this, contact your doctor. 

Accidental transfer is one of the potential side effects of Androgel. Just like many other side effects of drugs, not everyone will experience it. It’s difficult to know how many people it effects, but there are definitely ways to decrease the likelihood of transfer. The important things to remember are to take precautions and let your doctor know if you notice anything amiss! 

Posted 5 months ago
Regarding your reply about the cons of androgel you might want to mention that there is a higher chance of transferring the gel containing the testosterone to female bodied people if you live with them. A few other transman I know personally have also had issues with the gel transferring, even going as far as to having to do separate loads of laundry to make sure the gel didn't transfer. Two of them had to stop using the gel when their housemates started showing signs of high testerone.
Anonymous asked

Zak: Yes, absolutely, that is something I should’ve mentioned. You obviously have a much higher chance of transferring the gel to the people close to you than you do injections. However, both doctors I’ve had have said that it usually isn’t a big risk if you take proper precautions such as making sure you rub the gel in (not leaving pools of gel on your skin that probably won’t absorb properly), making sure it’s dry before you put a shirt on, only applying it in areas covered by a t-shirt, and washing your hands afterward. In order for the gel to transfer and actually prompt changes in another person, they’d have to receive a significant amount for your dose over a long period of time (at least that’s what my doctor told me). I personally have never had any issues with the gel transferring to my female partner (whom I live with) or any of the other people close to me (including the kids in my life). Granted, I do my own laundry separate from anyone else (not because of that, just because that’s what I prefer) and so maybe that’s a big risk when using the gel that I’ve just dodged. But, just because I haven’t experienced any issues with this (in the 2+ years I’ve been on the gel) does not mean that I won’t in the future or that it isn’t something to be concerned about. You make a good point that it is an added layer of concern/hassle that comes with the gel that doesn’t come with injections. 

Posted 5 months ago
I've read your post about Androgel and done my own research. I have a severe needle phobia and am thinking about doing Androgel instead of injections. But I was wondering, are there any cons to going with Androgel besides expense? I originally was under the assumption that changes were slower (which would be bad for me because I have terrible dysphoria), but my research (and your post) says that that doesn't seem to be true. So would there be a reason to not do Androgel?
Anonymous asked

Zak: As you mentioned, some people argue that the changes are slower (here’s a link to my post where I discuss that, for those of you who haven’t read it). That may be true for some people, I don’t know, but that’s not how it’s been for me (at least comparing my changes to other people who started on injections around the same time as me). It’s also, of course, more expensive (though my insurance mostly covers the costs and that may be true for others). 

Other than that, really the only thing I have to complain about is that it’s a bit of a pain to apply it every day. I have to make sure to pack it every time I go on a trip, no matter how short. That isn’t a huge deal, though. I also want to point out that I haven’t had any difficulty traveling with Androgel, even flying internationally. It sometimes also dries out my skin, but that’s nothing that a little lotion can’t solve. 

Really I can’t think of many cons. I’ve been on Androgel for 2+ years, and I really don’t have any intention of switching to injections unless I cease to have health insurance. There are a lot of people, though, who start out on the gel and later switch. So, clearly some people have problems with the gel or feel that their changes are too slow on it. As someone with very severe needle phobia, Androgel is necessity for me and I’d really recommend it to others. 

*edit* For people who mention that needle phobia is just mental, that is actually debatable. When it comes to this particular phobia, there appears to be quite a big physical component. Many have an involuntary physical reaction to needles, such as passing out. I know it’s wikipedia so it’s not the best source, but here’s some more information on needle phobia. This isn’t to say that it is impossible to overcome needle phobia, just that it’s usually much more serious than just becoming desensitized through regular injections (mostly because those with needle phobia often can’t get themselves to the point where they can even look at a needle, let alone inject themselves or allow themselves to be injected regularly). 

Posted 6 months ago
There are so many resources about the approximate time frames for changes to occur when injecting testosterone, such as it taking 3 months or so for there to be significant changes in voice depth, but are there any resources for the time frames for testosterone gel?
Anonymous asked

Zak: I think the time frames are pretty much the same on the gel, though it probably depends on the dose or the particular person. I’ve been on the gel for 2 years and my transition timeline has been pretty comparable to the resources out there for injectable T. Keep in mind that everyone’s transition goes at a different pace anyway, and so those timelines are based on averages. Many people say that changes are slower on the gel, and that may be the case for many people. However, I don’t think that there would be more of a difference than a month or so on the transition timeline (for most people). 

Posted 11 months ago
How does gel T work?
Anonymous asked

Zak: From what I understand through what my doctor has explained to me and what I’ve read, testosterone gel is absorbed through the skin and slowly released into the bloodstream over the course of the day (more about that here). It works systemically, just like injections, so if you rub it on your arm or whatever that doesn’t mean it’ll masculinize that specific part of your body any more than the rest of you. The testosterone impacts your entire body. That’s pretty much how I understand it, I’m not really a science type, though. 

Posted 12 months ago
What is the averge price of T? I know this is a kinda 'it depends on where you live and insurance etc.' type question but im at least curious to see what people on here(tumblr) pay for T.
Anonymous asked

Zak: It depends on a lot more than just where you live and what your insurance is, but also what type of testosterone you are on (gel, cream, injections, off-brand, name-brand, etc.) and what amount you get per month. I personally pay 30 dollars a month for Androgel (at one time paid 20 dollars a month, but switched insurance), without insurance it would cost somewhere around 300. Adrian pays around 16 dollars for 3 months of injectable T with insurance. But yeah, what you pay will definitely depend on a lot of factors. 

Posted 1 year ago

Zak demonstrates how he applies Androgel 

Posted 1 year ago
Hello! I started testosterone on Saturday (11th Feb), and I'll be on a 50mg dose of gel every day for three months, then I'll start having it injected. Because I can only ever find information about the effects of injected testosterone, I'm not entirely sure what (if any) changes are going to happen over the next three months, because I'm guessing it's going to work at a slower rate than injected T. Do you folks have any ideas about what changes might happen? Thanks, guys.
Anonymous asked

Zak: The speed of changes varies a lot from person to person, but I’d say you’ll probably have at least some significant changes in the first 3 months on the gel. I have done my entire physical transition (15 months now) on 50mg of Androgel per day and my changes have been pretty comparable to guys on injections. You can see my 3 months on T video here to kind of get an idea of what changes I experienced in that time frame (if you click on my channel you can see my other videos and get a good idea of my progress). Again, though, every person responds differently. 

Posted 1 year ago

Androgel Q and A

As many of you already know, Zak has used Androgel for his testosterone since the beginning of his transition, while Adrian has been on injections. From time to time we’ve received questions about the gel, and also noticed the lack of information out there on it and the large amounts of misinformation floating around about it. Here’s a Q and A to hopefully clear everything up: 

Q: How do you get Androgel or testosterone gel from your doctor? 

A: When I went to my doctor to get my script for T, I was already positive I wanted to go on the gel (primarily because I have a phobia of needles). During my appointment, I explained my reasons for wanting the gel instead of injections and asked her to write my a script for Androgel. My doctor had no problem with this, and said that there essentially wasn’t really a huge difference between injections and the gel. I have heard of some doctors being uncomfortable with putting patients right on the gel; one of the reasons behind this is that they don’t have a lot of experience with the gel and are unsure about the dosing. Most doctors, in my experience, don’t really have a strong preference either way and will listen to the patient’s requests. 

Q: Is the gel more expensive? Is it harder to get at a pharmacy? 

A: Yes, Androgel is quite a bit more expensive (and I’m assuming the other brands of the gel are too, since there isn’t a generic version that I’m aware of). The sticker price is something like 300 dollars. My insurance covers most of it, though, and it only costs me 30 dollars per month. This is still more expensive than a lot of people on the injections who have insurance, and so not feasible for everyone. It is not, however, any more difficult to get at a pharmacy than injectable T. 

Q: How is it applied? Do you have to avoid contact with other people afterwards or worry about getting the application area wet? 

A: My Androgel comes in individual packets for every day, which makes measuring my dose a nonissue. Some guys get theirs in a pump like lotion or soap and have their dose measured that way. I just squeeze the gel out onto my hands and rub it on my back and shoulders. If I have any left over, I usually just rub it on my arms or stomach. It dries very quickly, then I just throw clothes on and go. At first it seemed like quite a bit of trouble to go through every day, but once I got used to it it was no bigger of a hassle than shampooing my hair. 

My doctor told me not to worry too terribly much about transferring the gel to other people through casual contact. She said that once the gel dries, it is unlikely that enough would be transferred to another person to do anything to them (particularly since they would have to be exposed over a long period of time to experience any kind of changes). Still, it is a good idea to wash your hands after applying the gel and cover up the application area with clothes (generally your back). At first I was really worried about this, but I’ve been on Androgel for over a year now and it hasn’t affected anyone (even my girlfriend). As for the water issue, I shower in the morning and apply my T right afterward. I think you’re supposed to wait 5 hours after applying the gel before swimming, showering, or whatever. 

Q: Are the changes slower with the gel? Can I use it to transition more slowly or only get some of the effects of T? 

A: There’s a bit of debate about whether or not changes on the gel are slower. It’s really difficult to tell, because the rate of every person’s changes are different. A lot of guys start out on the gel, and switch to injections because they felt their changes were slower. Low and behold, their changes often speed up when they switch, although many people make the switch during a time in which changes start to really pick up anyway. So, I guess there’s no definitive answer on this. Someone wrote in to us awhile ago saying that changes on injections are slightly faster in the short term, because it occurs in jumps. You generally inject only once a week, so instead of having a steady amount of hormones at work a little bit every day, you get a weeks worth at once and a little spike in your changes. Seems like a pretty good explanation for me. I’ve been on Androgel for over a year, and feel like my changes were pretty much on par with anyone else’s (you can check out my transition videos here). 

Having said that, Androgel is generally not a lower dose of testosterone. You are on the real deal, although changes may or may not be slightly slower. For those interested in getting only slight changes, or some and not others, this is not the solution. You can’t pick and choose your  changes on T, regardless of the form you take it in. Androgel has given me body and facial hair, a deeper voice, and all the changes that injectable testosterone would have. 

Q: Is it safe? 

A: As far as I am aware, based on my own personal experiences, what my doctor as told me, my own research, and so on, it is just as safe as injections. The only form of testosterone that differs in its health risks, as far as I’m aware, is testosterone in pill form (which is harder on your liver). 

Inspired by the Tips for Trans Men post on Androgel